Det her temaet har jeg faktisk begynt å bli dritlei.
Glad you noticed this piece. It came from Djemaa Maazouzi in a seminar mailing-list.
Quick question: is it common in Norway to refer to university students as “girls and guys” or is this added through translation into U.S. English? One issue we could eventually talk about is how age is perceived in all this…
I referred to Abu-Lughod’s piece recently in a lecture on ethnography and I think it’s a good way to get people to think about some preconceptions we may have.
In Quebec as in France, hijab-wearing becomes a charged issues because of both perceived “submissiveness” and our difficult relationship with religion. The second one is the basis for the whole “kirpan in school” issue…
I happen to think that Abu-Lughod’s piece connects to one of the most important things we need to do as ethnographers and anthropologists: help people see things in a broad frame.
We have a few well-known public anthropologists, here in Quebec. They often serve as “experts” on tv shows having to do with cultural diversity (often an important issue in an anti-nationalist but sovereignist society). With all the talk about social engagement, I think this is where we (anthropologists and ethnographers) can “make a difference.”
One thing that always got me about the “crisis of representation” back in the 90s is that we self-flagellated so much that we all but stopped getting involved in public debates. Now that we’ve gone through the whole issuse of legitimacy, authority, authorship, and “putting culture on paper,” we can realise that we have a job to do.
Blogging certainly helps, in this respect.
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Yes, that’s a good example. Blogging might help, but writing for newspapers might be even more effective (few people read blogs) as in Abu-Lughods case?
Girls and boys… yes, that was a bad translation. Thanks for asking. That’s typical Norwegian. Here, even 50years olds can be called “boys” or “girls"…
Berit Thorbjørnsrud har skrevet en veldig god tekst rundt samme tema: “Weeping for the Muslim Cinderellas. A lament of Tears Shed though not Shared” (Norsk tidsskrift for migrasjonsforskning 2003(2)).
Hun skriver blant annet om den norske majoritetens “behov” for å ha noen å synes synd på. “…Norwegians seems to find a grand consoltation in comparing themselves to other peoples who hare conceived ‘to lag far behind’”
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“…Norwegians seems to find a grand consoltation in comparing themselves to other peoples who hare conceived ‘to lag far behind’”
I suppose that applies to other societies as well? Typical for identity politics?
It’s identity politics, yes. But Thorbjørnsrud links it to the norwegian self-image as “the country with the best living conditions for women” and the strong missonary-tradtion in Norway. Through feeling pity for “others” norwegian woman learn that they “should praise themselves lucky to have been born in Norway".
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I don’t have anything against people from the middle east. (Actually, there’s much to like and learn from.)I do have a problem with a religion which forces women to be second class citizens. Christianity and Islam both qualify.
When women stop getting stoned to death and honor killings cease, let me know.
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Dr. Abu-Lughod is missing the point, while there are doubtless a fair number of women that live under the islamic system that do not mind or even prefer covering themselves, there are still surely others who do nopt wish to yet feel compelled by social dogma and an intimidation that reaches well beyond the middle east and into the western places.
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All women in all cultures are subjects of dogmas. In west they are not? When will we stop viewing at the western woman as the one and only example of how the modern woman should be?? Objectified, abused, fooled into competing with males in every area just to prove she is equal and deserves the same respect. Yet, she still has not the same salary and is worth nothing if she is not beautifully styled. Please let me know when women will have the same status as men without needing to prove them selves and without needing to look beautiful to be heard!